Debate Wind down/Pass out
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Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Thanks, TeX
Comment by TeX_LA_Native
October 2, 2008 @ 7:33 pm
You bet.
0_o
Mr. X is clapping…
o_0
Comment by BrendaK
October 2, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
Ok, well, not bad.
Sarah did a good job, Biden was Biden.
It would have been a wash, except all week the journo’s have been trying to portray Palin as, at best a neophyte and at worst an idiot.
No one expected much from Biden and he delivered…not much.
So, minor win for Palin.
Not a game changer either way, as a debate.
I still think Palin was a great choice for Veep.
Comment by Fatwa Arbuckle
October 2, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
Mr. X is clapping…
Is that making teh TV go on and off?
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
I really wanted her to say “bless your heart” to Biden.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
Joe did not make any obvious gaffes. Iffil did not ask any gotcha questions. Sarah did not do well, IMO. Her intros were off base. Her statements were grammatically off- seriously backwards over and over again. and she said ” the toxic mess on Main Street effecting Wall Street”. I was not impressed.
Comment by BrendaK
October 2, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
Oh, except for that part where she knocked his ass over on Afganistan and McClellen.
On foreign policy, which is supposed to be Biden’s strong suit.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Well played, Gov. Well played, indeed.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
That was her best section. She knew McClellan’s name and what he was talking about and what was wrong with it.
Comment by Fatwa Arbuckle
October 2, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
K8 –
I’m pretty much with you. And why didn’t Palin pound on the Congress’ culpability in the sub-prime mess when she had a perfect opening?!?!?
Comment by BrendaK
October 2, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
Kate – I gave both of them room for nerves. More for Palin because she is new to a national audience.
Many of her statements were awkward, but she got her points across and wasn’t as vague as I thought she might be.
So, I stand by good job. She didn’t muff it, anyway.
Comment by Miss Emily
October 2, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
I think she lost. Just damn.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:40 pm
Because she was told to change the subject to energy. Bad advice IMO!
Comment by BrendaK
October 2, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Kate – I missed that one!
Heh.
But, I think that one was just nerves and trying to get his point out in a hurry.
‘Bosniacs’ was my personal favorite.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
Fox’s guinea pig group, supposedly half Bush/half Kerry in 2004 went almost all for Palin winning the debate.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
Interesting.
The undecided voters in the Luntz(sp) gallery think Palin did very well. They loved her.
Comment by BrendaK
October 2, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
On CNN, they’re debating whether it’s Gen. McClellen or Gen. McKiernan(sp).
Either way, she got the story right and Biden didn’t.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
I was surprised by the magnitude of the reaction in that poll room, weren’t you, Cousin?
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:47 pm
BTW I disagree with a lot of her populism with regard to the crisis in the economy, but I did like that she told us to stop living beyond our means.
Comment by Lee
October 2, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
Hmmm. Overall, I say good job on Sarah’s part but I was also not that unimpressed with Biden. Given the limitations of this whole debate format which is complete and utter bullshit, neither of them could do too much.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:49 pm
Biden never dared to come up with a name. I think the point of his bringing it up was partly to show she was uninformed and she blew him out of the water by knowing and using the name.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
I didn’t realize her performance was that strong. Especially “on the street”
I wonder how RAbbit is doing this debate evening.
Comment by Fatwa Arbuckle
October 2, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
One of the Morons at Ace’s: “If Sarah Palin took off her glasses, let her hair down and spun around really fast, she’d turn into Wonder Woman! “
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:51 pm
at Instapundit’s poll Palin won 834 to Biden’s 71 ( Ifill got 65)
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
I did like that she told us to stop living beyond our means.
Yup. I was pretty happy with that.
I do wish they’d stop making “greed” out to be something indisputably bad.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:53 pm
Ifill did well. Better than I had expected.
Comment by Lee
October 2, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
Palin isnt running for president but she is the only one keeping McCain in the race. Tonight, her performance kept him in the race, but it’s up to McCain to win the damn thing.
Tomorrow is another day-if McCain decides to use Palin wisely, he can get her out on the campaign trail and make better use of her than he has in the last three weeks.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
Ifill did do well. I have to wonder if the blogger brouhaha about her Obama-love and book had anything to do with that.
Comment by Lee
October 2, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
The only gaffe I saw out of her was the whole VP role thing-I didnt understand her response and tying herself to Cheney was foolish.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
Call this the coming-out ball and turn her loose. I agree, Sven.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
Palin is the only reason I am still considering McCain.
Comment by BrendaK
October 2, 2008 @ 7:58 pm
To my mind, Ifill had to do well. Or, at least, not be obviously partisan.
Would she have done the same thing if everyone had NOT found out about her conflict of interest?
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 7:58 pm
Turns out the German banks were in worse shape than US ones and it was the French who begged us to bail out AIG.
Comment by BrendaK
October 2, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
Kate – Well, like I always say: Anything for the French.
Comment by Lee
October 2, 2008 @ 8:01 pm
We’ll see Harper-he ought to just stake her to 4-5 issues that she can hammer Obama on and let her go. There’s legitimate policy differences that she could take on-guns, energy, etc-that she’s already up to speed with, and let her go. Hell, theyre losing with what they are doing now-kick the table over and let the chips fall where they may. They werent expected to win this thing anyhow. I mean, what else is he going to do: announce that he’s picking a dwarf as his Secretary of State?
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:03 pm
G’nite, Brenda. Fatwa. Thanks!!
Cousin – I knew that about the European banks. I was amused.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
BTW: I like the Miller 64. Very good for diet beer.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
I quite agree, Sven. It’s nice to have you with us tonight, Sir.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
The poll at Althouse is also overwhelmingly Palin as winner.
Comment by Lee
October 2, 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Thanks, Harper. Slow wheel refresh.
Palin’s performance was good enough that the vicious attacks which have died down a bit will likely pick up again.
Anyhow, time to go. Be well everyone.
Poof
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:19 pm
It’s fascinating, Cousin!
I mean, I already like her…but I didn’t think she was particularly stellar here or anything. She was alright. People are reacting as though they didn’t see her coming.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:20 pm
g’nite, Sven. Rest well
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:21 pm
The internet must be busy tonight. Everything is slow loading.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
I am only surprised about those who were not already Palin fans.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
Ok. Guiliani is being ridiculous. The best performance by a VP ever?
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 8:26 pm
Hi Gerbilicious people!
Looks like I should have spent time here instead of my lone ramblings into the ether.
Comment by TeX_LA_Native
October 2, 2008 @ 8:31 pm
The Internet is overwhelmed.
Same as or worse than the last debate.
I’m glad she did well, and as Sven/Lee said, it’s up to McCain to win it.
I’m still burnt though.
Mr. X informs me CNN has now changed the subject completely and they’re talking about the tops of the tickets.
He’s chortling. Hmmmm.
So, I’m off to bed.
G’night y’all. Sleep well and dream pretty dreams.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:33 pm
G’nite, TeX. Thanks.
Sulla – We’re more fun.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:34 pm
Mr. X chortles and has a flame thrower. I like him…
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
Sulla – We’re more fun.
No doubt of that. And infinitely cuter.
“A man who lives alone is corrupted by the company he keeps.”
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Dick Morris just read Alan Colmbs the riot act! It was fun.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
The commenters at Reason were -so far, I have not read the entire thing yet – totally down on Palin, in spite of not liking Biden.
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
Meh, it’s not about Reason. It’s about GOTV. Enthusiasm. Broken-glass determination to cast that ballot.
There was substance there tonight, but it was a much more engaging debate (until almost the end when it started to drag). And Biden sighed loudly enough to give SNL some material to work with.
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 8:47 pm
I expect vapid from politicians. Last week, for example. As I’ve often said, if you’re gonna fiddle while Rome burns, at least make the tune sprightly.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:51 pm
if you’re gonna fiddle while Rome burns, at least make the tune sprightly.
heh!
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:52 pm
I expect vapid and lying. biden did both very well. I have to agree with the Reason crowd, Palin’s mangling of English was more than painful and the way she did not answer the questions was clumsy. She also did not attack well.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:53 pm
If she helped the GOTV, good. I don’t see any way her performance increased the numbers of pro McCain voters.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 8:54 pm
Sulla – I really liked your use of Twitter tonight! THanks.
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 8:58 pm
Kate – I didn’t get to watch it, I just listened online (still at work). Agreed about Biden. I was also laughing at Palin’s “Bush School of Diction” delivery – even down to “Nukular.” I guess she IS a continuation of Dubya. 
I came away thinking she wouldn’t be “ready to lead on day 1″ but that in the past four weeks she’s shown herself capable of getting up to speed in a hurry. Meanwhile, Biden’s been in Washington since the McKinley years and he shows no capacity to learn from (let alone acknowledge) his mistakes. I could see a President Palin four years down the road; Pres. Biden? not so much.
She bested Quayle in 1988, anyway, not looking overwhelmed in the face of the folksy old guy. Not great, but exceeded expectations. Even Andrew Sullivan’s best shot is “stupid Gwen Ifill.”
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 8:58 pm
headsmack! I forgot about Sulla’s twitter! ( hmm. that sounds lewd, doesn’t it?). I went to his blog!
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
If she helped the GOTV, good. I don’t see any way her performance increased the numbers of pro McCain voters.
Heh…I’m still not pro-McCain.
I don’t know if it’ll sway independents. But I know it helps me to have at least one person on the McCain ticket I feel I’m voting for.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 9:02 pm
I do wish I liked MaCain more than I do..
::sigh::
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 9:03 pm
Sulla: I agree. I just hope Palin still has that future after BO wins. ( Louisiana/Alaska seems like a good combo to me)
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Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 9:05 pm
Cousin: McCain has only 2 pluses for me: The War and he is not Obama.
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 9:06 pm
Harper – thanks for the reminder! I’ve added a note on the blog to point to the twittering.
way, way too many forwards, I know. It’s complicated.
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 9:10 pm
Good comment from a Reason poster:
Exxon/Mobil makes much profit on a gallon of gas? The federal government takes in how much on the same gallon? I believe it’s something like $0.07 to $0.40, yet Biden begrudges every cent Exxon gets to keep. The US has one the least competitive corporate tax structures of any nation in the world, and it is hurting our economy. Do you think anything will be done to improve that situation under an Obama regime?
This is what I wanted Palin to come back with!
Comment by sulla
October 2, 2008 @ 9:16 pm
Kate – I have to agree that Palin missed a lot of substantive opportunities, and that is a good example.
Comment by The Plague Fairy
October 2, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
I’ve got to get a nap, friends. Nice to see you tonight.
Cousin – That gas tax is one of my peeves! AAaargh!
Comment by sekrit agent Mom
October 2, 2008 @ 9:21 pm
As much as I would love to stay and wax political, I must get to sleep. I enjoyed it, all!
Comment by Cali
October 2, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
I think they both did good. I liked Palin better, but Palin missed quite a few opportunities. I think she was concentrating too hard on what she would say next instead of listening to him and countering his outright lies.. they flew right past her. Biden came of as a masterdebaiter..hehehehe but he lied. It was obvious. What I hate most about the debates is the after debate commentary where the media assholes try to tell all of us stupid people how to think. It’s ridiculous. I saw the debate, I dont need some fancy suit to tell me what I saw and heard. I dont need an interpretation or their spin on it. I turned it off and watched School of Rock instead.
Comment by Cali
October 2, 2008 @ 9:29 pm
Ok it’s past my bedtime.
Buenos Noches gerbilitos dulces.
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